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corky3

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The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« on: January 08, 2006, 07:33:16 AM »
 Well as a gift from my daughter I got Family Tree Maker and am trying to add the various entries. Now that I have a six month subscription to Ancestry and the 1930 Census is available it appears there is more of tangled web.

   Beyond the fact there is so much discrepancy in dates-boy I have no clue when anyone was born-we are jumping around a 10 year frame here. I seem to have discovered a few intersesting things.


    In the 1900 Census-Mary A had already married Francis X. Bolack by 1900 so she had left the family home of Michael and Margaret Doyle three children are listed. Margaret Doyle's birthday jumps around from 1839 to 1850 -his from 1845 to 1848. They seem to have immigrated according to that census in 1864 and 1866 which cannot be right because Mary was born in 1864 in Nashua, NH.

    Anyway the three children are Josie (which in the 1930 Census turns out to be Josephine G-more about that later) born in May 1873. In 1930 she seems to drop a few years because she should be 57 and she only turns out to be 49. Julia who should be 53 in 1930 is supposedly born June 1876. Josie is unemployed in 1930 but in 1900 she is listed as a "table waiter". In 1930 Julia is a forelady in a slipper shop. Neither seem to have married.

  The interesting story seems to be Daniel J's. In 1900 he is still living at home-born March 1878-22 which means in 1930 he should be 52 and he is listed as 46. In 1920 he is married -supposedly 40 to Mary nee Horgan who is 21 at the time. He is listed as a skatemaker in 1900 but in the next two census he is listed as a buffer/cleaner,in 1930 in a wrench shop. He appears to have married Mary in 1918 -their daughter Mary M is a little over 1 year in 1920. Now something happens to Mary nee Horgan by 1930. In 1920 the Daniel Doyles are living on Aetna Street. In 1930 Daniel and Mary M are living with Josephine and Julia who appear to be living on a street which appears to be Cham(n)a(something l or d)re. Now he appears to be widowed or divorced since honestly I can not make out the handwriting if it is a w or a d. The census says he was married at 32-so 1916 which is probably not accurate but close enough.

  After that the census end -we probably won't see the 1940s Census for a long time. Where would you go next? I am going to try to search again to see if any other additional info comes up concerning deaths-unfortunately the Social Security Index probably won't help. Daniel has not shown up there so I am beginning to think he may have died and Mary may have been raised by her aunts. I do have Mary's -both Doyle and Bolack obituaries. I vaguely-very vaguely -think I may have heard such a story. What are my chances of find an obituary for either Mary Horgan Doyle or Daniel Doyle with no dates and a ten year span of maybe? Can anyone direct me? Of course in the hunt for where everyone is from in Ireland-the Doyles, the Maroneys, the Curtins-frankly that may go down as an unsolved mystery along with where a few of my ancestors were born in New York State.
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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2006, 11:18:43 AM »
One way to get closer to a death date is to use the Worcester Street Directories and/or Phone books. I know the Worcester Public library has some of both. The directories frequently give a death date or if the listing disappears you can assume the person died or moved from Worcester. Have you checked the SSDI. It is on Ancestry.com. Good luck.

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2006, 11:26:43 AM »
Sorry for second post, but I forgot to say that his WWI draft registration card is also on Ancestry if you haven't seen it.

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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2006, 12:23:03 PM »
 Thanks I have found the registration cards to be a great help.

   Now if only all my ancestor's had bothered to fill them out. They actually have general descriptions. One of my ancestors described himself as "stout"!

   The Social Security Index is a great help if they were ever issued a number. Unfortunately,darn it all some had the unmitigated gall to die before they were issued one!!!!

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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2006, 03:45:44 AM »
The worcester public library has newspapers on film going back into the 1850's.  What I've done is gone to the city directories and followed the name until it says a death (aren't we all fortunate that the WCDs give this) and then look up the obit.  Single women and widows are even listed in here. The other idea is to find the grave by using another family member's known death date and getting the burial card, which has a burial date and you can assume they died no more than a week earler and search the obits from there.  The WPL may be willing to do this for you if you are living too far away to do your own research, however I would give them a donation for their time. 

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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2006, 05:24:02 PM »
 Thanks. Sounds like a trip to WPL is in order.

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2006, 01:59:18 AM »
I might be able to meet you there.  I have wed & fri mornings off and most sats.  They might even be open on Sundays if they get a grant...you have to check their website  www.worcpublib.org

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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2006, 03:35:51 AM »
 Thank you for the offer. Maybe that can be arranged after the snow stops flying around here.

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2006, 07:24:03 AM »
Corky, I found a little information.
Frank Bolack was born in 1869-1870 Essex, Essex County, New York son of Francis Xavier and Elmira (Kane) Bolock.  Francois Xavier Beaulac was the son of Pierre and Louise (Couture) Beaulac and married Elmire Kane the daughter of Charles and Marguerite (Carpentier) Kane on Jan. 13, 1863 in Saint-Pierre-De-Sorel, Richelieu, Quebec

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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2006, 07:30:57 AM »
 Cheryl that is fabulous! You solved the where was he born in NY state question. Thank you!

   That Carpentier Line is the one someone from South Carolina has researched back to the 1600s Paris and France.

  Thank you!!!

  That Charles Kane's father is Michel Kaine but I do believe someone francized it and his name is really Michael Kane from Ireland. Probably immigrating in the 1830s. His wife is listed as Susanne Clark and that is as far as I can get in the Quebec information. That makes me believe that they came to Quebec-perhaps Susanne is not from Quebec at all-probably mid 1800s from somewhere else.
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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2006, 06:06:18 AM »
Corky, I'm guessing you don't have the marriage information of Frank Bolack Jr and Mary Doyle?  This also lists Frank's birthplace as Essex, New York and Mary as Nashua, N.H.  Do you have any information on Anne Doyle b. according to the 1880 census 1870 or Julia b. 1875?  Or a listing for Michael Doyle in 1870 census in Boston?  There is a family Michl, Margaret, Mary age 7 and Anne age 1.
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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2006, 08:16:07 AM »
  I really have to get organized here. With this new Ancestory membership to be honest with you I am almost at the point of too much information-especially since at the same time I am trying to catalogue it in as well as working on several family lines of inquiry at the same time.

   Going back to my family print out no I do not have the marriage information between Mary A and Francis . I was still working on the Daniel Doyle aspect on Sunday -discovering that his wife seems to have died  and he raised his daughter alone for a period with his -what looks like -his unmarried sisters Josephine and Julia. That takes me to the 1930 Census.

  Then I got sidetracked back to the Maroneys (the ironic thing is when I told my husband that Helen F. Maroney had worked in the Motor Vehicle registry-it jogged a memory that he had indeed met her when he was trying to get a driving recornd "adjusted" because of youthful missteps and he remembers her saying to him "Curtin? I knew a Curtin once". Considering that she was his grandfather's cousin -I think that makes her what a second cousin-I get confused how that goes-to him. I am getting the impression that the Maroneys and the Curtins could have lived in two separate worlds in the same town of Worcester. Even his grandmother was a Doyle on her mother's side talked about the "Doyles"-almost like a second race of humans. They seem to be disconnected family branches. I honestly don't remember meeting either Maroneys or Hoys or Doyles at any family funerals. They might have been there but I never met them. I know I had none on my wedding list.) and the Alden branch-my husband's mother side of the family which more or less takes me out of Worcester and into CT, NY and NJ.

   I know Mary Doyle was born in Nashua and while it seems strange that I have not gotten her birth certificate being so close to Nashua I guess I don't see the urgency of it. First of all by 1870 it appears the Doyles had moved to Worcester-Mary appears to have been working in a shoe establishment of some sort. Her Worcester death certificate tells me that her parents were both born in Ireland-of course no date and her mother's maiden name was Falvey. Census tells me that they immigrated-well at least he did around 1860. I probably should try and see if they had married in Nashua but I guess I just have not traveled in that direction yet.

   Someone did amazing work on rootsweb on the Bolacks mainly on the Carpentier line which would have been Francis known as Frank Bolack and that entire line is on the LSD site. I guess the gentleman who did the research is a member of the LSD church. I also have another line in his mother's family-the Porters-that goes back to the early Dutch settlers, including a member of the crew of Henry Hudson's ship-back to Holland, Germany and France. That incredible work was done by a gentleman named Robert Fisher who I am corresponding with in hopes of solving the Alden New Haven mystery as well as another Alden member in California. Mr. Fisher lives in Utah and has an incredible stamina in genealogical research. I discovered another line of my mother-in-law's -the New Jersey Millers has had an incredible amount of work done by someone but I really didn't investigate further-I find you have to cut it off somewhere.

   I have tried -with the Curtin line-every avenue available to me-available without taxing my limited financial budget for this "hobby". One of the sources whereever I turn I am directed to is Margaret Curtain's family site. Margaret is from New Zealand and has traveled to Ireland and spent enormous time transcribing Irish information. She is very helpful but the problem is my line of Curtins have her baffled. So much in fact whenever I communicate with her possiblilities of directions-well let's just say I have found her less than encouraging. She more or less has said I probably will never find out anything concerning the Curtins in Ireland. But I am of the opinion they just did not spontaneously generate. They had to come from somewhere-something is out there. I just have not found it yet. Part of the problem is the size of the Curtin family American immigration. Michael seems to have come alone. He brought his mother and brother here-to Boston and they never came to Worcester-not his father so it appears John must have died pre 1885. His mother died by 1900, his brother, John, by 1911 never have married.  They seem to have lived again in some kind of vaccuum. Family whispered rumor was the reason was Margaret Maroney but who knows the truth.

   Bet you never expected this long novel Cheryl! As far as the Doyles go. I don't know what happened to Annie. I would assume she married but have not found that line as yet. Daniel appears to have only one child Mary A and she never married. Her obituary gives little information because I believe she was the last of the Doyle line-I have it somewhere and will check it out again. When I got the obituaries for Margaret and Michael Curtin I also asked for one of her brothers, Jeremiah who died in 1955 (and I also sent a letter of inquiry to the funeral home which interred him and never got a response)and the Telegraph could not find one. And no I don't have the marriage information of Frank and Mary? Do you have access to that? I would appreciate it if you do.

   Just one quick last( I promise) remark. I am amazed how few of the Maroneys (still working on the Hoys but so far them as well), Doyles and early Curtins married.I guess I find that surprising for some reason.

   

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Re: The Tangled Worcester Doyle Web
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2007, 03:06:49 AM »
 Cheryl just to let you know I finally heard from the probate court concerning the Daniel Doyle/Mary Horgan divorce. It did,indeed, take place at the end of January, 1926 with countercharges with Doyle gaining custody of the child.

  We know she married Broberg that year. Just thought I would let you know since you helped me with all your hard work find Mary Horgan Doyle Broberg.